Writers? You have some research about the way people like, wanted to be buried, and some people didn't want to be buried in church.

Robert Gordon: Burial associations, well that was basically an insurance thing,

Bruce Nemerov: Yeah.

Robert Gordon: But what's interesting about it is it's not through the church. And what they were documenting in a kind of detached way, which I think was part of their strength that they could separate their--they weren't out to romanticize here. And what they found was that the church's influence was greatly diminishing in the community, and these rival burial associations had a very significant scam aspect to those as well. You know, it was a policy kind of thing and that was an example of the church's waning influence.